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A Frank Discussion About Bones

First let me start by saying that bones should never be fed unattended, always better to be safe than sorry. People die all the time eating soft things like ham sandwiches so when feeding bones you should probably be available in case anything unexpected happens.

Unfortunately too many dogs & cats never get the chance to chew on a healthy bone.  Sure they get giant beef legs and knuckles or commercially prepared dental chews. Often the bones are smoked (cooked) and dental chews can be full of unwanted ingredients. Also I was sure to use the phrase healthy bone. Cooked/smoked bones are dangerous; ask any bone carver what they’d prefer to carve with a cooked bone or a raw bone? The answer is always a raw bone because cooked bones break in unpredictable ways. This is doubly true for cooked bone chewed by a pet. When a raw bone breaks, depending on the type of bone, it chunks off in a way that the carnivores gut can digest appropriately, whereas a cooked/smoked bone has no give at all and can break teeth or can shard off in a way your pet’s gut could find troublesome.

For healthy teeth and gums all you need to give your dog or cat is healthy, raw, bone bearing meat.  An example would be turkey necks or meaty beef ribs. Big Beef, Bison and Venison knuckles & femur bones (often called recreational bones) are not a good idea. Why? Because a dog can hurt themselves on these bones. These ungulates weigh in at anywhere from hundreds to well over a thousand pounds. The bones it takes to support those animals are extremely dense and could certainly be harder than your pets teeth or digestive system could handle.

The right kind of bones from the large ungulates are non weight bearing bones like short cut ribs, neck and tail. The weight bearing bones just pose to much of a risk for most dogs. We have people who swear that they are OK for their dog but there is risk with these bones.

The best bones come from avians primarily because they are hollow. There are a variety of birds to choose from, chicken & turkey are the most common and occasionally you can find waterfowl like duck & goose. I also very much like rabbit because of how small they are. Dogs and cats are not evolved to take down huge ungulates, they are evolved to eat small mammals and birds. They would not cook these animals and they would not pick around the bones, they eat the entire carcass.

We’re big fans of turkey necks, chicken necks & carcass and for really big dogs whole meaty lamb necks are a great option. These are fantastic bones to use regularly with little to no problems associated with feeding them. You do need to ensure the necks are size appropriate, (small necks for cats and toy dogs) ensuring the pet has to chew the neck to eat it. What you’re trying to encourage is chewing. If it can be sword swallowed then it is to small.

For more information on bones and our pet carnivores please check out these websites.

http://www.peterdobias.com/community/0201/05/raw-bones-for-dogs/
http://feline-nutrition.org/answers/answers-chunks-and-bones-is-it-my-cats-teeth
http://www.rawmeatybones.co.uk/articles-others/docArticle1.pdf – PDF File
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35213280/Study-Oxtails-Control-Formation-of-Dental-Calculus-in-Beagles


A response to Dr. Chris Collis a Veterinarian in Victoria B.C.

We were lucky enough to have the Times Colonist write a story about what we do here at Growlies on Dec 10, 2011 – http://www.timescolonist.com/business/This+deal+good/5839618/story.html (PDF). We could not have been happier with the article and the warm response to it. Just to clarify, a mistype in the article stated that we make raw food when, actually, we retail raw pet foods from a variety of Canadian manufacturers.

A few days later one of the people who run the plant at Buddies Natural Petfood contacted us to show us a letter to the editor that detracted from what we do. Here is a link to the letter written by Dr. Chris Collis a Veterinarian in Victoria, B.C. that was published in the Time Colonist – http://www.timescolonist.com/health/food+without+risk/5858502/story.html (PDF)

Needless to say I was surprised by Dr. Collis’ fearful response to our happy little article given that there is a long term ongoing discussion about exactly this topic within his profession. Obviously Dr. Collis has never come by to ask about what we do even though his offices are very close to our store. Yet he presumes an awful lot about what we do without any investigation.

See, Dr. Collis says, and I quote “ All pet foods are made from the discarded waste of the human food industry, including those contaminated with salmonella, e.coli and campylobacter. Commercial diet “cooking” destroys the infectious diseases and additional testing ensures the freedom of foreign material, mould and chemical toxins.” While this is possibly true of the foods that Dr. Collis sells in his Veterinary practice it could not be further from the truth for the food we will allow in our store, to be sold to our community.

None of the foods we allow in our store have ever been considered discarded waste. All of the raw food products we sell are made from human grade ingredients. That means none of them were rejected as diseased, discarded and disgusting things our pets should never be exposed to let alone as a food source, cooked or not. We even carry a line of canned food that is kosher and safe for passover.

So my question to the Veterinarian Dr. Chris Collis is that if you know that all of the food you sell is discarded waste of the human food movement, why do you sell it? Why do you tell people it is healthy? That food does not sound to me like it is something I’d want to feed any of my family members, I don’t care how much you cook it.

If Salmonella is such a concern then he should be advocating the food safe handling of all pet foods, especially the high risk foods he advocates within his letter. We tell everyone that food safe rules apply to all of our products.

You can see how many pet food recalls are current in the US here http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/newpetfoodrecalls/ and in Canada here http://www.inspection.gc.ca/about-the-cfia/newsroom/food-recalls-and-allergy-alerts/eng/1299076382077/1299076493846 in Canada the list is mixed in with human food recalls.

One of the things you will quickly notice that the list is primarily made up of kibble type products and occasionally a canned product and then rarely a raw food product, usually from the largest companies, because as you scale up you increase the risk of contamination. Quickly reviewing these two lists shows anyone interested in looking the risks involved in feeding the foods this Vet recommends. It also shows how few recalls there are for raw pet foods he warns against. Remember that song when you were a kid “One of these things is not like the other”.

We have been retailing raw pet foods for almost five years now and not one of the raw brands we carry have had a single recall. There was a recall for some raw pet food in BC in this time frame for a raw pet food product purchased direct from a meat packing plant in Surrey, BC. while in commercial kibble diets there have been hundreds possibly thousands of recalls in that same time frame.

I agree with Dr. Collis that if a dog or cat eats salmonella they may then shed salmonella. What this list of pet food recalls shows me and this vet fails to mention is that kibble is a far more likely cause of a pet shedding salmonella than any food you recognize when you open that package as simply meat, fat, bone and organ, but also it is reassuring that it is from the same food chain as the food you buy for your family, unlike the kibble ingredients which this Vet was kind enough to point out to us should not be fed to anything.

So please, when using all pet foods, do use all the common sense food safe rules that you were taught in the kitchen when handling all food. Also if you, like me, own a dog that is all jowly and loose faced you may even want to wash their face after eating all pet foods. But to me, unlike this vet, this is common sense everyone should follow for ALL pet foods.

I ask one thing of people. Question authority and make up your own mind. As long as all pet owners are trying to do their best by their pets, well that’s what counts. Just do not accept blanket statements from anyone and hopefully you will have a pet who thrives rather than just survives.

Further to this conversation it is now less than six months since I wrote this response and here we are once again with the CDC investigating 16 people in 9 states being poisoned with salmonella by dry dog foods, not raw / real foods. See http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/diamond-youve-got-some-explaining-to-do.html

Pet Food Industry and Nutrition: A Necessary Review For Veterinarians by M.E. Smart , J.A. Mills and C. Haggart Published on V.I.N 2007 updated Mar 13, 2011

This paper reviews the current status of the pet food industry from a veterinarian’s perspective. Summaries of market features, regulation and non-regulation are presented. In addition to a review of the industry, we also discuss the value of information currently provided to veterinarians and their clients, and some of its consequences.

Used with Permission by Dr. Meg Smart. You can find her post of this article at http://petnutritionbysmart.blogspot.ca/2012/03/pet-food-industry-and-nutrition.html



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Starting the discussion about real pet foods

When new people walk into our pet health food store Growlies® they are usually looking for an easy and similarly priced alternative to the kibble they are feeding now. I usually start out by letting them know that the basic premise we work from is that real foods are always healthier than processed foods. The less processing that is done to the foods before it is served the better. While there are many schools of thought on the different ways you can or should feed raw foods, ie: RMB, Prey, B.A.R.F., S.A.R.F etc, if people want to dive into the different feeding methods that is just rawsome, but those many different feeding models is not how people start feeding real foods. Commonly they start by looking for healthier alternatives to the commercial processed pet foods available at most pet food stores and grocery store shelves.

The next thing we often discuss is that in kibble we are trained by the large pet food manufacturers that variety is bad and that what is in their one bag is balanced and complete. Have you noticed that they never say balanced and complete in human foods? That is because they are not allowed to make that claim in human foods. Why? Because it really is not possible for a single food product to balanced and complete when it comes to a complex topic like nutrition. So we talk about how none of our single flavours, packages or manufacturers are to be considered complete diets; they are all meals. That means that through a variety of meals we get balanced and complete nutrition, never from just a single product or manufacturer.

One of the things I often see with people new to feeding real foods is that they have this aura of negativity or disgust around the foods. Believe me when I say our pets mirror us. So if you, the pet owner, are disgusted by raw meat then so will your pet. I have had to tell some people in a very direct manner, get out of the way of your pet and allow them to enjoy the food. Often pet owners get caught up in the complexities of real diets and make it more difficult not only for the pet but for the pet owner too. This behaviour is one of the excuses some people use to stop feeding healthy foods.

Real food diets are easy. Offer a variety. Feed foods with bone in at least 4 days a week and something with lots of muscle meat the other two or three days a week. One of the most important things is that your pet carnivore also get the chance to masticate through raw, soft bone bearing meat as this is a perfect tooth brush for them. Their teeth are their most important tools and so they are indicative of overall health. Healthy teeth often equals healthy pet.

We do recommend two very basic supplements for all dogs and cats. They are both fairly inexpensive and offer great benefits. One is a basic Ocean Kelp based supplement for a healthy source of iodine and a broad spectrum of minerals. Second is some kind of omega oil supplement, we prefer a salmon oil. For special needs dogs there are many other things available but for a normal healthy dog or cat these are the only two we ask people to consider.

For more info on our pet carnivores please see:
http://feline-nutrition.org – I know this is only for cats but it is a great site.
http://youtu.be/V-MzXLdtAro – I really like Dr. Beckers videos, look for more they are great.
http://rawfed.com/myths/ –  old style site but great info.
http://rawmeatybones.com/  - Dr. Lonsdale the father of prey model pet diets.
http://youtube.com/Growlies  - Our youtube channel, please subscribe.


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